tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post5855224150677434877..comments2024-03-27T22:32:17.055-05:00Comments on Jeffs Gameblog: my last post on funky dice for a whileJeff Rientshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17493878980535235896noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-63361892107102660082011-06-21T01:49:38.246-05:002011-06-21T01:49:38.246-05:00@Reynaldo: Yeah, my players are usually cheapskate...@Reynaldo: Yeah, my players are usually cheapskates, and highly dice superstitious! But, whatcha gonna do?StevenWarblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12697680166430879676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-22373387590758036342011-06-17T22:58:24.524-05:002011-06-17T22:58:24.524-05:00@Steven
I suppose the primary difference here is ...@Steven<br /><br />I suppose the primary difference here is that my group does share dice.<br /><br />And if we aren't sharing, we also buy our own dice, and usually rule books, so I guess that arguing here would be kind of pointless since the fundamentals aren't the same.NaldoDrinanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05925017763253597522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-11272492519534667082011-06-17T10:00:47.230-05:002011-06-17T10:00:47.230-05:00@Reynaldo: 4 dice, times however many players you ...@Reynaldo: 4 dice, times however many players you have (My players don't share dice). Looks like you can get those 4 dice for about $8.50 US, so for my group of 6 players plus DM a cost of $59.50 added to the cost of the $40 game book. DCC just became a $100 game.<br /><br />And I need those dice to play the game from session one, whereas I don't need the two new Paizo books to run Pathfinder.<br /><br />So, in my opinion and you may disagree, but the funky dice are an additional obstacle to playing the game.StevenWarblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12697680166430879676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-48530778942312153002011-06-17T05:44:21.088-05:002011-06-17T05:44:21.088-05:00All you really need is a d14, d16, d24 and d30. Th...All you really need is a d14, d16, d24 and d30. The others are emulated easily once you've got these.<br /><br /><br />Four dice. Paizo announces two more $40 hardbacks (I will probably buy those two, so this is not a slight against them) and everyone is complaining about four dice.NaldoDrinanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05925017763253597522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-77500999319190815352011-06-16T22:31:55.367-05:002011-06-16T22:31:55.367-05:00Interesting... Goodman is splintering the communit...Interesting... Goodman is splintering the community even further, adding yet another game some will play, and others will be dead-set against, with arguments raging (I shall presume) forever. Congratulations!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-15522745199253487212011-06-16T18:48:28.637-05:002011-06-16T18:48:28.637-05:00My last reply on funky dice for a while -
Just w...My last reply on funky dice for a while - <br /><br />Just wanted to say thanks to the various replies. I do appreciate the help. Also - because I'm, apparently, an idiot - it took me a bit to realize the important fact that, at levels 0 and 1, you only really need the easily-simulated d3 and d5. So, yeah, problem solved.<br /><br />One last note - I am definitely not in the target audience for this game, but it managed to capture my interest anyway. I've noticed OSR production values getting more 'professional' lately; both LotFP Grindhouse and DCC have people talking about their art (well, also nihilism, for some reason, but that's confusing and not the point).<br /><br />As this keeps happening, more people are going to be drifting in, giving it a look for the first time. And they're probably going to be as clueless as me when it comes to the dice. Please, be gentle with us.<br /><br />Kay, that's all until I've actually played this thing.Chaos Clockworkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04122472296580033166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-44964051321979511472011-06-16T15:05:07.652-05:002011-06-16T15:05:07.652-05:00Unless I'm missing something, while the dice a...Unless I'm missing something, while the dice are indeed funky, and do indeed pose friction for shifting an entire group (especially one with new players. these days it's almost a rite of passage to take a new player to the FLGS and have them buy their first set, and these dice aren't really in any sets anywhere)<br /><br />The dice are not particularly difficult to simulate with your standard set.<br /><br />d3 is d6 / 2<br /><br />d5 is d10 / 2<br /><br />d7 is a d8 with a reroll on 8 (or alternatively an uber crit/fumble)<br /><br />d14 is a d7 and +7 on even d6 rolls<br /><br />d16 is a d8 + 8 on even d6<br /><br />d24 is d12 + 12 on even d6<br /><br />d30 is d10 * d6/2<br /><br />Sure it's slightly irritating, but the math isn't that bad. Certainly worth trying if you're interested, and then trading up to real dice if you get into it.tpmoneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-3816546860210702912011-06-16T15:02:44.594-05:002011-06-16T15:02:44.594-05:00My thoughts on the dice issue can be found here: h...My thoughts on the dice issue can be found here: http://oldschooleclectic.blogspot.com/2011/06/exerecise-in-futility.htmlJohn Harper Brinegarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17592827787099084705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-51587183750160010142011-06-16T14:22:59.501-05:002011-06-16T14:22:59.501-05:00@Norman Harman
Even better! Most of the early comm...@Norman Harman<br />Even better! Most of the early comments about the art were all like 'too much', etc, blahRagnorakkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03812860633134547618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-35689161349798030992011-06-16T13:39:17.726-05:002011-06-16T13:39:17.726-05:00I consider the d4, d8 and d12 to be funky dice. Ad...I consider the d4, d8 and d12 to be funky dice. Adding more dice really seems unnecessary and over the top.<br /><br />On the other hand, as mentioned above the art is flipping fantastic!Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00681556676138330789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-84826878693068641552011-06-16T13:05:49.748-05:002011-06-16T13:05:49.748-05:00But when I think about all the money I've sunk...<i>But when I think about all the money I've sunk in read-but-never-played rulebooks and used-once-for-that-one-awesome-fight miniatures over the years, my fairly meagre dice collection starts to look one of the better investments I've made in the hobby</i><br /><br />Exactly so. I spent about 300 euro recently on Casino and shapeways metal dice. They are the tools of our trade, 'Have dice will travel'. Its like thinking about the right pen for the job and some of us love fountain pens.<br /><br />Im not excited about the crazy dice because they are not beautiful, not regular polyhedrons whose faces have edges of equal length and whose vertices lie on a circle.Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11165997449776226774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-29516350854342399672011-06-16T12:28:59.717-05:002011-06-16T12:28:59.717-05:00@Norman Harman:
You said it.@Norman Harman:<br /><br />You said it.Legionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14743073987491198533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-44991838985640688462011-06-16T12:08:56.162-05:002011-06-16T12:08:56.162-05:00more funky ass dice is high on my want list, just ...more funky ass dice is high on my want list, just as soon as I get money for it they're mine. Until then I made one of those spinners over at Aeons and Auguries, cheapest option so far(fo freeeeee)Nopehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02743719179352388875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-24320249632585222792011-06-16T12:08:05.430-05:002011-06-16T12:08:05.430-05:00Well, from the poll results it seems like DCC may ...Well, from the poll results it seems like DCC may be embraced by roughly 50% of its target audience.... which is about what I expected a product aimed at a "niche of a niche" market... Cant help but think it would have been different if it used only standard dice.<br /><br />As it is, goodman made my choice of next new system to jum start a campaign with a LOT easier (by effectively removing DCC from serious consideration.<br /><br />Now I just have to choose between LOTFP, Delving Deeper, S&W Complete, and Advanced Hackmaster<br /><br />All of which, by the way - use the same dice (which I ALREADY own)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-92188160912137051672011-06-16T12:00:32.363-05:002011-06-16T12:00:32.363-05:00Unfortunately, no one in my group owns the funky d...Unfortunately, no one in my group owns the funky dice and they would rapidly become annoyed at having to reroll a d8 to simulate a d7, or using a d6 and a d8 to make a d16.<br /><br />So that means that even though I'ld love to arrange a session of DCC this friday I cannot... because of the dice issue.<br /><br />And if I decided to order the dice, I would need to order enough for everyone ('cause I game with cheap skates!), which stretches my budget too far.<br /><br />So there's a good chance that DCC will be looked at and never played in my circleStevenWarblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12697680166430879676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-59009815483951177072011-06-16T11:57:46.267-05:002011-06-16T11:57:46.267-05:00I think reading the beta rules, they go to the eff...I think reading the beta rules, they go to the effort of explaining how to produce gameable results on a 1-7 or 1-24 scale without purchasing new dice, which they really didn't HAVE to do because it's mostly common sense things. Not to mention the fact that, since the OSR community has such an overlap with the DIY community, hacking off or tacking on a bit here and there to create ranges you're more familiar with should be simple enough.<br /><br />So I don't see why this would be an impediment whatsoever.Daniel Deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07427676807959516142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-30944930607548511082011-06-16T11:05:15.922-05:002011-06-16T11:05:15.922-05:00My biggest shock, totally dumbfounded about this.
...My biggest shock, totally dumbfounded about this.<br /><br /><br />How the heck is everyone not talking about how great, plentiful, the art is? If we were arguing / bitching / blogging about whether the art was rip off or homage, if retro style is alienating, etc. I'd be down. But dice? really?Norman J. Harman Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01319655075997712313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-31798442368323559322011-06-16T10:17:01.259-05:002011-06-16T10:17:01.259-05:00Put me in the 'pro' camp - a lot of war an...Put me in the 'pro' camp - a lot of war and RPG games have the 'roll a crap load of (usually 6 sided) dice' mechanic which I hate. I'd rather roll a d30 than roll 5d6.<br /><br />Q: I only skimmed the rules but never saw when the funky dice get used - can you clue me in?Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15585204340254292108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-36808666963962745982011-06-16T10:05:04.529-05:002011-06-16T10:05:04.529-05:00One thing I forgot to say before is that if we wer...One thing I forgot to say before is that if we were to play this, all but one person at my table has an iPhone or Android and a dice-rolling app, so I doubt anybody would be buying new dice for DCC.Joshua Macyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10838733328132877699noreply@blogger.com