tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post6112484640937552350..comments2024-03-27T22:32:17.055-05:00Comments on Jeffs Gameblog: On SystemJeff Rientshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17493878980535235896noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-9264301630110476962011-08-11T16:58:00.059-05:002011-08-11T16:58:00.059-05:00This made me think of a conversation I had a few w...This made me think of a conversation I had a few weeks back.<br /><br />A friend of mine who I use to play 1st and 2nd edtion D&D with moved back to town after being gone for several years. He immediately jumped in to our S&W complete campaign. <br /><br />After a few sessions I asked him what he thought of S&W compared to the versions he had played in the past. <br /><br />He told me he never remembered which version of D&D he had played, only that he had fun playing D&D.deletedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629023989035899992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-38951236280607054582010-02-11T21:14:41.137-06:002010-02-11T21:14:41.137-06:00@Anonymous: "Make up" rules on the spot,...@Anonymous: "Make up" rules on the spot, not change them.d7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08635926744710532548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-58767235416898334622010-01-27T16:50:45.352-06:002010-01-27T16:50:45.352-06:00Of COURSE it's annoying when DMs change the ru...Of COURSE it's annoying when DMs change the rules on the spot. It completely undermines the verisimilitude of the world.<br /><br />"Wait, all this time I've been able to do this thing, and yet I never knew about it, and as such I always did this other thing, which I now can't do?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-76062103523380542202009-09-23T00:13:15.939-05:002009-09-23T00:13:15.939-05:00I mostly agree with what you have said. But here i...I mostly agree with what you have said. But here is the points I don't.<br /><br />D&D 1st, 2nd and 3rd have a feel, a look, of similarity and ideals. 3rd although was the death of D&D, but there was enough of what makes D&D still within the pages for it to be called D&D.<br />4th on the otherhand, does not have the feel or look, nor any similarity to any of the before.<br />4th Simply is not D&D, they can put the title on their, but that does not make it D&D. Sorry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-18233285640766072562009-08-15T06:52:01.494-05:002009-08-15T06:52:01.494-05:00Well said!
A couple of years ago a friend broke o...Well said!<br /><br />A couple of years ago a friend broke out his original D&D box set. My character was an 'Elf'. His name was Anwar. After a green slime landed on his head, we decided he had a jaunty cap. A few minutes later a group of gnolls killed our party of two.<br /><br />Lots of fun and apparently memorable as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-44459582805089462432009-08-14T21:01:05.037-05:002009-08-14T21:01:05.037-05:00The other day when Dave and I at Armored Gopher we...The other day when Dave and I at Armored Gopher were discussing the best parts of our Rise of the Runelords campaign, while sitting around converting characters over to PF RPG, it did indeed strike me that the stories we were telling were the same kind of stories I've always been able to tell about the best D&D campaigns I've been a part of, and that also goes for the stories I have of my Eladrin Paladin from Dave's Lost Shards of Dawn 4E campaign as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-49986968391194827312009-08-14T19:32:59.541-05:002009-08-14T19:32:59.541-05:00@Settembrini
How does acknowledging that there is...@Settembrini<br /><br />How does acknowledging that there is a disconnect affirm it? And does anyone have any suggestions for helping instill the open take on situations for newer gamers?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14741915662135713990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-56030555243105198722009-08-13T09:51:55.723-05:002009-08-13T09:51:55.723-05:00Thanks...Thanks...Joneshttp://video-poker-spielbank.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-48335279518484780732009-08-13T07:43:06.628-05:002009-08-13T07:43:06.628-05:00yeah you're rightyeah you're rightineed moneyhttp://games.maktoob.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-29561404020308854462009-08-13T07:29:35.053-05:002009-08-13T07:29:35.053-05:00yeah you're rightyeah you're rightineed moneyhttp://games.maktoob.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-18520998578288508302009-08-13T04:29:46.237-05:002009-08-13T04:29:46.237-05:00@Evernevermore:
See? A cultural problem. If you ti...@Evernevermore:<br />See? A cultural problem. If you tie it to editions, then you are reinforcing and affirming this cultural deprivation. It´s the reservation, and you guys gladly walk right in. Hint: You won´t be allowed to build Casinos as recompensation.Settembrininoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-65057061985168756942009-08-12T23:01:57.382-05:002009-08-12T23:01:57.382-05:00The problem Ive run into in playing OD&D with ...The problem Ive run into in playing OD&D with newer players (predominantly 3.x players) is the difficulty in communicating the idea that the solution to a situation can NOT be found on the character sheet. Maybe its the experience of the games they've played in but its been my experience that non-AD&D/OD&D D&D players seem less in tune with the older ethos of description and roleplaying over mechanics and rollplaying. Hopefully Saturday will prove this to be wrong as I will be playing in a 3.5 game. However even with the language in the 4.0 DMG the newest edition still does not work for me for improvisation (I attempted it in the campaign I ran but the only saving grace was the players were slower to figure out what they were doing then I was to ram something together)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14741915662135713990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-10224565845230128162009-08-12T12:23:09.900-05:002009-08-12T12:23:09.900-05:00@Thasmodius I've heard very good things about ...@Thasmodius I've heard very good things about the language in the 4e DMG regarding improvisation and kit-bashing. I'm really hoping that those ideas are communicated down to the players and while I'm sure a lot of it goes on, it does not seem to be the default approach to D&D anymore, at least not among the groups I've seen playing it. I'm sure hoping people like you are the majority and that I'm wrong.OlmanFeelyushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17521657876810568251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-209661906274696632009-08-12T11:15:49.202-05:002009-08-12T11:15:49.202-05:00@Olman: "Because, unfortunately, the right to...@Olman: "Because, unfortunately, the right to mangle, fold and splinter the game is no longer communicated to today's customers."<br /><br />Warning! Reading the 4e DMG will render your viewpoint obsolete on account of wrongness! Avoid at all costs!<br /><br />@Jeff<br /><br />I have to echo others and say your exclusion of 21st century D&D undermines the entire point of your otherwise excellent post. If that small phrase was left out I would agree with you entirely. I have played every edition of D&D from 0-4 and I've done exactly that - crafted my D&D out of each system (and without a craft skill to boot :) ).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12883260871417486956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-53610806232183892452009-08-12T10:18:37.921-05:002009-08-12T10:18:37.921-05:00Awesome post! I've played every edition of D&a...Awesome post! I've played every edition of D&D, and loved them all for what they were, and currently I love and play 4th Edition. I've made my 'choice' and It's gaming 'paradise' for me. More power to those who prefer the retro editions, may they find their gaming 'paradise' as well.<br /><br />You are terribly wise Jeff, and I enjoyed your analogy! <br /><br />Also, be assured, If I should come across Gary Gygax in my travels, I shall draw my Hoturi Hanzo sword, and Gary Gygax will be cut.DRAX40Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-37398809254891345262009-08-12T09:22:26.226-05:002009-08-12T09:22:26.226-05:00The last three paragraphs are probably the most se...The last three paragraphs are probably the most sensible things I've read regarding this subject. Full marks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-89105502749851962362009-08-12T07:28:46.010-05:002009-08-12T07:28:46.010-05:00This is great. I think you are right, especially i...This is great. I think you are right, especially in your argument that the best plan is to pick one and then start ripping out the wires.<br /><br />It all changed for me when I understood that you can't really play in someone else's game world -- once you start playing it becomes yours (no matter how much you try to adhere to some conception of what it "should" look like.) <br /><br />Even if I tried to play in Gygax's Greyhawk with my home group in 2009 I couldn't. I have different players, they have different experiences with roleplaying, the knowledge of the hobby and different options is different, and I am not Gygax. No matter how closely I hew to what I think is orthodox, the moment my group sits down it is "our" Greyhawk and it begins to diverge more from any kind of orthodoxy as we play.<br /><br />The best part of the OSR is embracing this and recognizing that the fact that every table plays it different is a feature, not a bug.<br /><br />Great post.jcosmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888736618040090915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-11623067095269099092009-08-12T06:34:04.634-05:002009-08-12T06:34:04.634-05:00Nice stuff, Jeff. You make the point really well.Nice stuff, Jeff. You make the point really well.Chris McDowallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11717684225248546716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-71189532827892153022009-08-12T05:45:02.739-05:002009-08-12T05:45:02.739-05:00That´s factaully fasle. I was saying: Everything i...That´s factaully fasle. I was saying: Everything in A/D&D exists as building block in 3rd. Not so in FUDGE or SMUDGE or whatever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-90117060689763825662009-08-12T04:28:50.310-05:002009-08-12T04:28:50.310-05:00"everything you can do in A/D&D you can d..."everything you can do in A/D&D you can do in 3rd"<br /><br />Well, the point is that if I go and join a random 3E game -- which I did! -- it probably won't be so freewheeling and fast like A/D&D -- which it wasn't!<br /><br />Favorite topic of complaining in the 3E group I'm in: annoying DMs who <i>MAKE UP RULES ON THE SPOT</i>. Horrors!<br /><br />Everything you can do in A/D&D you can do in FUDGE. Everything you do in A/D&D you can do in BRP. Hey, this is fun.<br /><br />(Sorry, just needed to vent.)K. Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06623767121412820113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-73197683452832456642009-08-12T03:59:10.758-05:002009-08-12T03:59:10.758-05:00Amen brother.Amen brother.Efnisiennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-25447727521067478452009-08-12T02:47:30.394-05:002009-08-12T02:47:30.394-05:00Jeff, you are one of the people grasping my someho...Jeff, you are one of the people grasping my somehow complicated-for-many idea of building blocks.<br />Really, everything you can do in A/D&D you can do in 3rd. It´s all there, and the real differences are oone of module design culture and player expectations. Culture, and that´s what you DINDN´t want to get into the differentiation debat, no Also: I use stuff from all editions in my 3e games every week. So are you telling me that this actually doesn´t work? Or that I´m doing it wrong?<br /><br />Please, your Electro-Skeleton was transfered DIRECTLY from the FO! incarnation, as were several modules/situations and artifacts.<br /><br />Also: Without 3rd, none of us would be posting here.Settembrininoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-31773963763064542722009-08-11T23:31:52.691-05:002009-08-11T23:31:52.691-05:00This is timely. I've been deliberating what sy...This is timely. I've been deliberating what system to use to run an old-school feeling sandbox using existing D&D material (Myth Drannor boxed set, to be exact). I've been pondering and pondering, but this post and another <a href="http://xbowvsbuddha.blogspot.com/2008/08/run-out-and-find-me-four-year-old-child.html" rel="nofollow">post by Dr Rotwang</a> that I remembered make the same point: <b>Just Pick</b>.<br /><br />I'm going to be running a "D&D style game", right? So I should just use any old system and hack it to suit me. The feel of the world and the pacing of the game is more important than what dice get rolled and what taxonomy is used to distinguish the characters. Given that, it doesn't matter that I'm going to be using Savage Worlds—it'll still be D&D at heart.d7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08635926744710532548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-69434918467922544592009-08-11T21:10:54.453-05:002009-08-11T21:10:54.453-05:00I think I can completely and totally agree with th...I think I can completely and totally agree with this, despite my complete abhorrence of anything D&D. Thanks for a great post!Loquacioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01667591498679385934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7652921.post-38223956558415567842009-08-11T20:13:24.301-05:002009-08-11T20:13:24.301-05:00If it's not B/X its crap!
Just kidding. ...If it's not B/X its crap!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br />Just kidding. I love all editions. Kumbaya...P_Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374589162025099763noreply@blogger.com